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TIME: I thought I'd talk to you a little bit about just sort of the whole degree to which this is really a test of leadership, health care is, as much as anything. And last year at the news conference, when somebody asked you - it was almost a flip question - whose job is this, you said, "It's my job, I'm the President." But the fact is that no President has been able to pull off anything of this order of magnitude in 44 years. President Obama: Right...
...circumstances in some cases were similar, in some cases were profoundly different. Obviously LBJ had just won a landslide reelection and had huge majorities in the Senate and the House. We have the largest Democratic majorities since LBJ. But the way that Congress works is a little bit different today than it was then. LBJ had to negotiate with Wilbur Mills and a handful of other folks. I think that Congress is more splintered. I think each member of Congress is a little more independent from party than they might have been in the past. I think the nature...
Well, of all the big decisions that you've made strategically, one of the most important was really to lay out the broad principles and let Congress figure out how to get there. Could you talk to me a little bit about how and when you made that decision, and why you decided - because there are a lot of people right now on Capitol Hill who are saying, we need more from him; he's got to tell us what - where his bright red lines are on this. The truth is we've actually, I think, provided more guidance than...
...what if it would make me just a little bit healthier, but it would really cost a lot of money and I want it? Well, what you're describing is - what you're describing is the status quo now. There are all kinds of things that people want that would make them a little bit better and they don't have. Every single person who goes to the emergency room goes through that. Every single person who is denied reimbursement for something by an insurance company is going through that. Every single person who's got an $8,000 deductible...
...your family, for her? Is this the kind of thing that a reformed system, as you see it, would change the dynamic of that decision? You know, first of all, unlike my mother, who had a difficult time with her cancer in part because her insurance was a little bit unreliable and she had just taken a new job, my grandmother had been signed up under Kaiser Permanente for years. And it's actually one of the models of high-quality, cost-efficient care that's out there right now, partly because they maintain such a stable base of patients...