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...TB: My childhood. I grew up in Atlanta and in the '50s and was not interested in politics, but I was kind of stupefied by this movement and what it meant and how nervous it made me and all of my friends and how it turned knees to jelly. Really the Birmingham demonstrations in '63 were the first events that turned me political. I was 16, and I had just gotten to the point where I was saying, well, gosh, when I get impossibly old and secure, like 30, maybe this is an important enough issue that I would stick...
...TB: It was difficult to get some people to talk, just because a lot of people think that the realities of the movement are so far removed from whatever the myth was, that it's not worth talking, or that I'm not worth talking to, or whatever, but, the movement was filled with self-confident men and women to be able to do what they did, and for most of them, whether it was [black power advocate] Stokely Carmichael or Captain Joseph, Malcolm X's guy, giving their raw-boned opinions is a trifle compared with what they...
...TB: I just think that he's somebody that he always listened to and the thing about King was that he was comfortable in having-essentially having a circular gunfight with him in the middle with all these very big egos, yelling and screaming at one another, and he always wanted Stanley to be part of that, and he did, it is true, talk to him more than any of the others one-on-one. He would call him and talk to him in private. He had a confidence that Stanley didn't want anything. He had no ulterior motives...
...TB: Yes. It was difficult how much weight to give it. But the people who traveled with him were pretty frank. Martin was a chauvinist. Some of them described it almost just as a way of simplifying his world. He had to have rules about what kind of meetings he was having with people, and he tended to want to have business meetings with the men and social meetings with the women, although at the same time, he also knew that the movement lived and breathed on the labor of women...
...TIME: If I read the book correctly, the genesis of the idea for the Poor People's Campaign comes from Marian Wright [who, under her married name, Marian Wright Edelman, later became head of the Children's Defense Fund]. TB: Absolutely, and the genesis to go to Selma comes from Diane Nash. In many respects, Diane was the most unsung heroine of the whole movement because in earlier times, she was right up there on the Freedom Ride. She's an innovator in nonviolence, and King gave her his highest award and I think he recognized...