Word: tutu
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...TIME: Your biography is titled Rabble-Rouser for Peace, which sounds like a contradictory concept. Tutu: I heard someone say you must wear your dirtiest pants if you want to be involved in working for peace. When you care about any injustice and fight for it, it's rough in the arena...
...TIME: Twenty years ago, you became the first black to lead the Anglican Church in South Africa. What positive changes have you seen in the church since? Tutu: In our own church we ordained women to the priesthood, which is a fantastic thing. When the church in the U.S. elected its first woman presiding bishop [Katherine Jefferts Schori], I said, "Yippee...
...TIME: In 1998, you told the Archbishop of Canterbury that you were ashamed to be Anglican when the church failed to liberalize its attitudes toward gay clergy. Do you still feel that way? Tutu: Yes. For me, there doesn't seem to be a difference at all with how I felt when people were being clobbered for something about which they could do nothing - their race. I can't believe that the Jesus Christ I worship would be on the side of those who persecute an already persecuted minority. That we should be tearing ourselves apart on this issue...
...TIME: Why do you think your efforts to equate the struggle for gay rights with the fight against apartheid has fallen on deaf ears among many African Anglican leaders? Tutu: I wish I knew. We seem almost to be programmed to have our identity defined by our againstness. Especially in a time of great change, people want something to hold on to. Diversity confuses you, so you are opposed...
...TIME: Does a possible split in the Anglican Communion make you want to intervene on this issue? Tutu: No. You have your point of view but if you say you are retired, for goodness' sake, look at the sign that says exit and follow it. I hope [a rift] won't happen. But if it happens, it doesn't mean that God has been defeated...