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...that all the time. This is the sense that I was telling you, that people feel that you do not have the rule of law, but the law of the powerful. So that's what we have to change around, so it's not as if simply because you've got money or simply because you have some high position somewhere you can do anything you want. We're actually moving ahead on this. This is a central theme. We want to do this through democratic methods. We want to strengthen our democratic institutions. What has happened is they've...
...each one of these 27 countries, have given up some of our sovereignty to a higher body, the European Union. And said, we'll be more effective if we work together. We're different countries. We speak different languages. We have different backgrounds. We have different traditions. We've even been at war with each other at times, but we share a common pool of values: democracy, human rights, belief in the peaceful resolution of conflict, social cohesion and now, of course, the idea of a green economy. If we share these values, we can work together. And I think...
...imploded, but it could have created sort of an unraveling effect. I think what Europe has been able to do over the years is as it's hit crises, it's been able to creatively become stronger, to use the crisis as an opportunity and that's what I've said also in the European Union. We want to use this as an opportunity to change Greece, but let's also use it as an opportunity in Europe, to see what's wrong in our rules and regulations in the eurozone. Do we need greater economic coordination and governance...
...worst over for Greece? I think the worst is over for the crisis that we've had, the sort of peak of the crisis. But there's a lot of work to be done, difficult work. The pain is still there because the cuts, the wage cuts, the economic measures are biting and people will all feel this in the next few years. But if we do what is necessary, we'll come out of this stronger and much more viable. And that's what my hope is - and my belief is - that we can do this. Sometimes crises...
...bold modern art next to the leather-bound books are small but telling signs of how he is shaking up the fusty world of Greek politics. "I do believe in a few years we'll be proud to say we went through this very difficult time, and we've come out a Greece that is a different type of Greece," he says. (See pictures of immigration in Europe...