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...where I think we can move ahead. There are countries that have been able to maintain a social welfare system, and see that as part and parcel of being competitive. That is the Nordic countries, or the Scandinavian countries, where they have a very important welfare system, but they're at the top, most competitive countries in the world. I often like to say that the sense of welfare and security that a person needs, sometimes also helps in making that person more innovative, more risk taking, more entrepreneurial. (See pictures of the global financial crisis...
...that the model you're looking at for Greece, the Nordic model? I would say the Nordic model, of course with its Mediterranean dimension. Of course, we have a different cultural style, I think a more anarchistic kind of character. If you free that, in a well-defined framework, that can become a very innovative force...
...power at the center of the state. But it also becomes easily clientelistic. You have to come to me for the smallest of favors. And then I've got your vote. And then I've been able to influence you. That's what we're changing...
...like, and lead by example in many ways. And this is what I did when I took on the party, took the leadership of the party. I said okay, the first thing we have to do is change. As a matter of fact, one of our slogans is "We're changing ourselves to change Greece." I think this is what we've been able to do. It's not an easy process, but that's the only way we can do this. (Read: "Greek Austerity Measures Spark Rising Protests...
...have the rule of law, but the law of the powerful. So that's what we have to change around, so it's not as if simply because you've got money or simply because you have some high position somewhere you can do anything you want. We're actually moving ahead on this. This is a central theme. We want to do this through democratic methods. We want to strengthen our democratic institutions. What has happened is they've been weakened by this clientelism...